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		<title>By: moor</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5811</link>
		<author>moor</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>LOL</description>
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		<title>By: tide</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5814</link>
		<author>tide</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>decline: sorry i can't make it, my wife is  and i have to take care of the kids ;-)

seriously though, if she's nice, say yes, do the business thing and after you're finished with the work part, see what else happens... just try to separate work and private life. both have to be professionals at work but at home, do whatever you want ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>decline: sorry i can&#8217;t make it, my wife is  and i have to take care of the kids <img src='http://blog.zgraggen.name/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>seriously though, if she&#8217;s nice, say yes, do the business thing and after you&#8217;re finished with the work part, see what else happens&#8230; just try to separate work and private life. both have to be professionals at work but at home, do whatever you want <img src='http://blog.zgraggen.name/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5815</link>
		<author>Sam</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Now what would you do if you were single?</description>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5816</link>
		<author>Guido</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5816</guid>
					<description>Do you think it would change things? Obviously, it could.
But I think the short term 'benefits' you get is not worth to risk a long term business relationship. Or what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it would change things? Obviously, it could.<br />
But I think the short term &#8216;benefits&#8217; you get is not worth to risk a long term business relationship. Or what do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5817</link>
		<author>Sam</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5817</guid>
					<description>short term benefits? I don't know what you're talking about. I was talking about the long term risk of not going out with her. Let me play devil's advocate for a moment. Imagine you're a bright, young, single consultant and the client asking you out is a bright, young, single, tech savvy girl. Let's call her amy just hypothetically. Wouldn't you be worried about the long term consequences of not going out with her? Would you put your career before an opportunity at true love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>short term benefits? I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. I was talking about the long term risk of not going out with her. Let me play devil&#8217;s advocate for a moment. Imagine you&#8217;re a bright, young, single consultant and the client asking you out is a bright, young, single, tech savvy girl. Let&#8217;s call her amy just hypothetically. Wouldn&#8217;t you be worried about the long term consequences of not going out with her? Would you put your career before an opportunity at true love?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5818</link>
		<author>Sam</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5818</guid>
					<description>Let me be a little more specific. Suppose you're single. And suppose by the time she gets to asking you out to dinner, you've been working at the client site for several weeks, and you've already had lunch with her several times in the company cafeteria mostly discussing business. And despite your best attempts at keeping things professional, every time you talk to her, you get more interested in her. You've already found out that she's into the same kind of music, she has the same hobbies and interests, she holds the same beliefs, she has the same goals and motivations, and most surprisingly of all, she gets your jokes. She may be, as far as you can tell, your soul mate. You even talk to your friends about how well you get along with her. And you know by the way she flirts with you that she's interested. And further suppose that by the time she gets around to asking you to dinner, you're going to be at the client site for only a few more days but her company has been a long-time customer of your company and you expect her company to continue being a long-time customer of your company.

I think the longer a person has been working and the more committed he is to work, the more likely it becomes that he'll meet his future spouse through his growing professional network.

I once dated a coworker and after that ended I made it a personal policy not to date coworkers. But there have been times when I thought to myself that I would ask some girl out if only I didn't work with her and I've wondered what would have happened if I had asked her out (probably a friendly rejection). Once I went out with a customer I met at a company event (I wasn't a salesperson and she wasn't the one making the purchasing decisions so I think it was acceptable), and it turned into one of the most meaningful relationships I've had.

I definitely think that there's a wrong way to date people with whom you have professional relationships, but I think it's unavoidable. If you have a group of single people working together for long enough, someone (maybe not you) is bound to start dating someone else, and simply saying that it's against company policy isn't going to prevent that. (One of our salespeople married one of our resellers, and if there's a company dating policy, that's probably prohibited.) Someone is bound to meet someone worth risking his career for and when that happens, he's not going to want to know how to turn her down while maintaining the client relationship. He's going to want to know how to go out with her without getting himself fired. At least that's what I would want to know in that situation. I wonder what advice the consulting communication prof would give for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me be a little more specific. Suppose you&#8217;re single. And suppose by the time she gets to asking you out to dinner, you&#8217;ve been working at the client site for several weeks, and you&#8217;ve already had lunch with her several times in the company cafeteria mostly discussing business. And despite your best attempts at keeping things professional, every time you talk to her, you get more interested in her. You&#8217;ve already found out that she&#8217;s into the same kind of music, she has the same hobbies and interests, she holds the same beliefs, she has the same goals and motivations, and most surprisingly of all, she gets your jokes. She may be, as far as you can tell, your soul mate. You even talk to your friends about how well you get along with her. And you know by the way she flirts with you that she&#8217;s interested. And further suppose that by the time she gets around to asking you to dinner, you&#8217;re going to be at the client site for only a few more days but her company has been a long-time customer of your company and you expect her company to continue being a long-time customer of your company.</p>
<p>I think the longer a person has been working and the more committed he is to work, the more likely it becomes that he&#8217;ll meet his future spouse through his growing professional network.</p>
<p>I once dated a coworker and after that ended I made it a personal policy not to date coworkers. But there have been times when I thought to myself that I would ask some girl out if only I didn&#8217;t work with her and I&#8217;ve wondered what would have happened if I had asked her out (probably a friendly rejection). Once I went out with a customer I met at a company event (I wasn&#8217;t a salesperson and she wasn&#8217;t the one making the purchasing decisions so I think it was acceptable), and it turned into one of the most meaningful relationships I&#8217;ve had.</p>
<p>I definitely think that there&#8217;s a wrong way to date people with whom you have professional relationships, but I think it&#8217;s unavoidable. If you have a group of single people working together for long enough, someone (maybe not you) is bound to start dating someone else, and simply saying that it&#8217;s against company policy isn&#8217;t going to prevent that. (One of our salespeople married one of our resellers, and if there&#8217;s a company dating policy, that&#8217;s probably prohibited.) Someone is bound to meet someone worth risking his career for and when that happens, he&#8217;s not going to want to know how to turn her down while maintaining the client relationship. He&#8217;s going to want to know how to go out with her without getting himself fired. At least that&#8217;s what I would want to know in that situation. I wonder what advice the consulting communication prof would give for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5819</link>
		<author>Guido</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just to clarify the short term benefits. What I meant by that is, since you might be working in another city or even country a relationship could be really hard to maintain and last not long at all since you will work soon at another place.

But I see your second point. Of course it could happen that you start to like someone you work with like you described in your scenario. If you are working as a consultant or as a sales person you are representing the company and people might watch you closely what you do and how you behave. Where as a ‘normal’ employee other people don’t associate you directly with the company and dating someone might not be a big deal.
But to be honest this would be a really difficult situation and there is no single answer to it. I guess at this point the question is, if it is worth to risk the job.
But to go back to my initial post: I wrote this post from the perspective that she likes just my look and not that we have a lot in common and feel connected. I guess more often this will be the other way around. (Good looking consultant woman and a ‘horny’ guy on the client side). One part of being a consultant is that you have to look good and professional since you represent the company, this might also lead that you get people who admire your look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify the short term benefits. What I meant by that is, since you might be working in another city or even country a relationship could be really hard to maintain and last not long at all since you will work soon at another place.</p>
<p>But I see your second point. Of course it could happen that you start to like someone you work with like you described in your scenario. If you are working as a consultant or as a sales person you are representing the company and people might watch you closely what you do and how you behave. Where as a ‘normal’ employee other people don’t associate you directly with the company and dating someone might not be a big deal.<br />
But to be honest this would be a really difficult situation and there is no single answer to it. I guess at this point the question is, if it is worth to risk the job.<br />
But to go back to my initial post: I wrote this post from the perspective that she likes just my look and not that we have a lot in common and feel connected. I guess more often this will be the other way around. (Good looking consultant woman and a ‘horny’ guy on the client side). One part of being a consultant is that you have to look good and professional since you represent the company, this might also lead that you get people who admire your look.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5822</link>
		<author>Sam</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.zgraggen.name/archives/230#comment-5822</guid>
					<description>Yes,  99 times out of 100 you're better off just turning the girl down. But you might run into that 1 girl where you're actually sincerely interested and you really want to get to know her. And in that situation, I think it is possible to conduct yourself in a way that doesn't put your company in a bad situation. For example, even if there is a company policy against dating clients, I doubt there would be one against being friends with them. So if you were to choose to go out with the girl, you wouldn't necessarily have to keep the dinner strictly about business as long as you kept it strictly platonic. Here is my experience. I once met a girl at a conference being hosted by my company. During lunch we talked about how.her company was using our product and about LA and other random stuff. And she mentioned that in the evening she was planning on doing some site seeing since she had never been in LA, and she asked if I would like to join her. I turned her down. She asked again later that day and I agreed. So we visited some sites around LA, we talked a lot, and she bought me dinner for my troubles. It was strictly platonic. After the conference I sent her an email and we kept in touch ever since. Throughout all that I don't think I did anything that would embarrass my company and I think I would have regretted it if I decided not to go out with her because of some company policy. Maybe the situation wouldve been different if I had a different position but I think that would be sad. Granted this only happened once during my career so I agree its rare. But when it does happen, I think it would be nice if there's another option besides just turning her down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,  99 times out of 100 you&#8217;re better off just turning the girl down. But you might run into that 1 girl where you&#8217;re actually sincerely interested and you really want to get to know her. And in that situation, I think it is possible to conduct yourself in a way that doesn&#8217;t put your company in a bad situation. For example, even if there is a company policy against dating clients, I doubt there would be one against being friends with them. So if you were to choose to go out with the girl, you wouldn&#8217;t necessarily have to keep the dinner strictly about business as long as you kept it strictly platonic. Here is my experience. I once met a girl at a conference being hosted by my company. During lunch we talked about how.her company was using our product and about LA and other random stuff. And she mentioned that in the evening she was planning on doing some site seeing since she had never been in LA, and she asked if I would like to join her. I turned her down. She asked again later that day and I agreed. So we visited some sites around LA, we talked a lot, and she bought me dinner for my troubles. It was strictly platonic. After the conference I sent her an email and we kept in touch ever since. Throughout all that I don&#8217;t think I did anything that would embarrass my company and I think I would have regretted it if I decided not to go out with her because of some company policy. Maybe the situation wouldve been different if I had a different position but I think that would be sad. Granted this only happened once during my career so I agree its rare. But when it does happen, I think it would be nice if there&#8217;s another option besides just turning her down.</p>
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		<author>Parenting A Divorce &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Closets and Gay Relationships Don&#8217;t Mix</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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